Bogglement
Feb. 26th, 2004 10:39 pm![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png)
I was made aware of this lovely little essay by Orson Scott Card, in which he makes his views on homosexuality, marriage, the family, and so forth rather clear. I'm speechless with disgust and disappointment.
Essay of Doooooom
Here's the great rebuttal/analysis someone posted: Smart Person Alert!
Essay of Doooooom
Here's the great rebuttal/analysis someone posted: Smart Person Alert!
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Date: 2004-02-26 08:05 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2004-02-26 09:13 pm (UTC)I don't understand the shock here, unless you weren't aware of said leanings. I mean, conservative right-wing Mormons can write SF too, ya know. ;)
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Date: 2004-02-26 10:15 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2004-02-26 11:21 pm (UTC)Now that you mention that, it's right on the money!
Man, I knew that I chose the wrong religion.
Secret ceremonies, holy underwear, beautiful temples, multiple mates, populating distant planets...if I want all of that stuff in mine (minus the multiple mates) I'd have to shave my head and stack rocks and contemplate riddles that I'm too dumb to figure out. :P
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Date: 2004-02-26 10:53 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2004-02-26 11:25 pm (UTC)It saddens me that he feels the way he feels, but no more than it saddens me that almost all of my (Southern Baptist) family feels the same way--but with even less thought put into it.
I think if I get one more email about how non-traditional marriage will make the world explode, or about the goddamn Jesus snuff film, I will have to start mailing out onion parodies in response.
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Date: 2004-03-13 06:50 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2004-02-26 11:59 pm (UTC)What the fuck ever.
I knew I shouldn't have read that. Now I'm pissed.
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Date: 2004-02-27 03:45 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2004-04-01 04:44 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2004-04-04 10:16 am (UTC)The "separate the art from the artist" issue is a tricky one, indeed. It's hard to argue that, say, Ender's Game stops being good because we now know something about the author that we didn't before. OTOH, it's also hard to argue that giving the author money (by buying his books) with which he can further his socio-political agenda isn't necessarily a Good Thing.
At times like this perhaps one can be vaguely thankful that the US doesn't have the Canadian "library pass-through" system whereby authors receive income based on a book's library circulation.
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On a different front, what surprises me most about the exchange is that Card's socio-history is so bad -- and that the response failed to call him on it.
One of the prime arguments on the "anti" side of the gay marriage issue is that marriage has meant the same thing in all cultures since the dawn of time. This is, in a word, nonsense.
It's not surprising for Card to tread lightly on this point, given the historical (and contemporary) practice of polygamy in the Mormon and splinter-Mormon religious communities. But Mormonism is hardly the only religious/cultural system in which marriage has been defined more flexibly.
Moslem and Chinese cultures also supported polygamous marriage. Egyptian royal families sometimes married siblings to each other (though it's not entirely clear, I think, whether this was a matter of religious symbolism or lack of incest taboos). And Gaelic-Celtic legal codes recognized at least nine (sometimes ten) distinct sorts of marriage (the "brehon marriage" code). Greek and Roman culture also recognized and approved of homosexual unions, though they didn't necessarily grant them "marriage" status. A quick discussion of some of this appears here.
But it isn't necessary to document gay marriage in historic or prehistoric context to shoot down Card's point. Card's "Humpty Dumpty" logic tries to assert that "marriage" is a fixed, unchanging concept -- and the plain historical fact is that he's flat wrong.
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Date: 2004-04-04 05:13 pm (UTC)